Honesly? "Sources close to director Bryan Singer say he had to be reassured that Man of Steel wouldn't be affected." hardly sounds like Singer was 'okay' with it... at all. He's probably pissed. As am I.

Given SR's performance Warner's might not be too upset if Singer backed out or refused tyo do a third, especially if JLA is a hit. Nolan is a different story, BB was a hit but partially because the budget was more modest than SR. I think at this point Warner's is probably taking a wait and see approach with both franchises. If DK is huge it will be worth wooing Nolan back, same with MOS and Singer. A lot is riding on the next two films and almost sounds like Warner's is hedging their bets by moving forward with JLA.

It doesn't make me happy because Routh is my Superman, after Reeve. Welling (or anyone else) just doesn't cut it. Same with Bale.

Honesly? "Sources close to director Bryan Singer say he had to be reassured that Man of Steel wouldn't be affected." hardly sounds like Singer was 'okay' with it... at all. He's probably pissed. As am I.

Exactly. The word "reassured" worries me. It sounds like Singer asked what this means for MOS and Horn had to explain why exactly MOS wouldn't be affected. Like "It's okay, you'll still get your movie but there's another director on board now working on Superman! Hehe! *taps shoulder*"

The fact he had to be reassured first is kind of alarming, actually. It means it's not obvious that JLA won't affect SR and that Singer shouldn't worry. It means right the opposite. If you have to reassure a director of the movie itself and talk to them first to let them know what's going on, what kind of a reaction will the audience have? How will you "reassure" them?

And I agree what you said in your second paragraph. JLA's the new test project for WB and a lot of things are now connected to it and its outcome, such as the future of other solo films by Nolan and Singer. IMO people can't honestly say with a straight face that JLA won't affect other movies. It will. The question is HOW MUCH.

Routh couldn't have been in a worse position. At least he hasn't been booted yet officially. Even if we do get MOS with Routh after JLA, I'll hate JLA and WB for ruining the chances of a THIRD Routh as Supes movie! Singer may not stick around that long. If he'll do the second movie, even. Luckily Nolan's filming the 2nd Bats already so there's no question whether we're getting a Nolan film or fans would have to worry about THAT, too!

Btw, new piccie on icon, yes? Me loves it. :)

*seething in anger* Personally, I'm very, VERY much hopeful that they'll greenlight and get an actor to play Batman for the JLA film just to spite that a-hole from BOF. I desperately want to watch WB drive that knife into him and effin' GUT him.

God, I hate that egostistical maniac, he's always writing such horrible dogmatic articles about how much he hates this and hates that about what's happening to "his Batman" when, clearly, Batman doesn't belong to him AT ALL, he belongs to EVERYBODY.

And NO ONE should listen to what he has to say on that stupid website of his, especially Warner Bros. He is NOT the voice of ALL Batman fans.

His writing on news articles (which is NEVER news at all) are just his biased opinions and they always make me sick. I avoid his site whenever possible, but if I have to visit it for TDK related news, I try to google some other place that reports TDK stuff first before visiting that site.

...sorry. I have been enraged over BOF for years, and I tend to snap and start ranting whenever someone mentions that site anywhere. *sigh*

I understand. To be honest, I've heard people say similar things about other webmasters reporting news and rumours, such as Sanchez at IESB or Countingdown and their newest female scooper, Neal and Steve of SupermanHomepage and others. We all agree iesb and countingdown are just posting JLA rumours these days, not news, and that they bring their own opinions into the mix, and they're often unpopular.

Though Sanchez has toned down his opinions lately and is merely reporting things as he hears them, he's not really including his own opinions at the end of each JLA or MOS scoop post anymore. He was very pro-MOS before (always clever enough to mention where MOS stands right now, even if the scoop was all about JLA) but now he's pro-JLA to make his insiders happy, I guess. We're also getting almost no MOS rumours either, so it's not like he has things to report we haven't already heard or he hasn't spoken about already.

The female insider at Countingdown is considered "wacky" by some fanboys because even though she is VERY pro-JLA, she is extremely, EXTREMELY anti-Singer, anti-SR and anti-Routh. Her reports at countingdown are mostly devoid of this hatred so maybe some people haven't noticed this but when she posted angrily over at IESB's boards weeks ago because someone dared to post her scoops there in some thread (I think she was credited!), her "true colors" showed and I almost stared in disbelief at her aggressiveness and HEATED opinions about how terrible Routh is and what a travesty and whatnot. It was an amazing read. Nothing I haven't seen already from other SR haters but this was a decent thread by the time she stopped by and no one else had such extremely anti-SR thoughts in that particular thread before. She just stood out.

I'm not saying she's a bad person or that she shouldn't voice her opinion, hell no. I'm interested in what she has to say about JLA and most of the time her posts are fine and lately she even dislikes all the attention she's getting because of her scoops at Countingdown. She said something like: "I like attention as much as the next girl but this is getting out of hand."
BUT I've seen better manners and I think people can discuss things without badmouthing an actor, movie and its director... It was done to such a degree that I almost discredited her altogether. Maybe it was just a one-time slip but I did see her voice her opinion on SR and Routh on countingdown, too... It was polite, though, which is fine and dandy. Nothing major that would make you stop in your tracks. She adores Welling, that much is certain.

So I understand why you'd hate Batman-on-Film's opinions. Trust me, I've had my fair share of dislike toward webmasters from 2 different fandoms in the past years. Major, MAJOR dislike. I had several reasons but I don't want to talk about that right now...

I've mentioned BOF because I want to include other people's opinions about the movie besides Sanchez and other scoopers. These people are in the major league right now, so to speak. But other people like BOF are voicing their thoughts, too, and lots of people are listening to the them, especially if they come from a well-known site.

Continuing...

Yes, she's made her dislike of Routh and Singer known many times. Not dissing her as we're all entitled to our own opinion.

Since you obviously visit CD you know it just gets rough around the boards there sometimes...some forget that we're a message board - not really a "Scoop site".

Hi! Thanks for commenting! Yes, she caught my attention because of the way she expressed her opinions on Routh and SR. I probably wouldn't have given her much thought otherwise because I only follow her posts because of the JLA and Welling scoops she's bringing, obviously. Since this was the first time I got to see the "real person behind the scooper", so to speak, and she allowed her feelings to sift through her posts and scoops on Superman and why Routh is so wrong for this role, it just surprised me. We don't usually get scoopers like this. And yeah, I should say again I'm not dissing her, I don't know her and she has the right to post her opinions, I'm just saying she caught my attention.

Are you a member on the CD boards? I only lurk there whenever people talk Superman and the upcoming JLA and mostly where new scoops are posted (like hers). I'm not all too familiar with the boards but they do remind me of other boards like IESB that usually don't get as much attention as these days because of JLA rumours. It's interesting to see certain sites getting more attention because of this movie. It's almost like a race, "who's going to post the next scoop" and get more site hits.

Every board has their own tight and VOCAL group of posters you can see in almost every thread. And they're not always nice about actors and directors, as you've said. The aggressive behaviour and name-calling still surprises me and makes me think posters are 14 years old. It's always a shock to learn they're men in their 30s and 40s!

(Btw, I wonder how you found my post, I'm just curious since this is a pretty new journal and I don't know that many people. :) It's nice to see people come by and comment, so thank you!)

(Also, Wolverine fan? Awesome.)

(Sorry for the deleted posts)

"Are you a member on the CD boards?"
I'm a moderator on several boards and also Community Manager for CountingDown. Part of my job is to try to calm them down when 'discussions' get over-heated. Easier said than done sometimes ;)

"(Btw, I wonder how you found my post, I'm just curious since this is a pretty new journal and I don't know that many people. :) It's nice to see people come by and comment, so thank you!)"
I occasionally Google posters and your LJ was linked to her screen name.

"(Also, Wolverine fan? Awesome.)" Have been a Logan fan for a long time...since he appeared in the comics. Have a Wolverine tattoo as well and that's the basis for my screen name at CD. While Wolvietattoo is my full name there, most people have shortened it to WT.

A mod, I see! :) Coolio. I owned a fansite and fan board several years back, it was about an actor and most of the users were in their teens (many in their early teens) and I at almost 21 at the time was the oldest... There were 2 mods that were my closest online friends, so it wasn't as hard as it would have been were I completely alone. I understand how hard it can be to mediate all the time and take care of trolls and fights. People expect a lot from you and if you're the oldest they also kind of look up to you. *nods*

I remember I had to stay neutral all the time and welcome every new member, whether they had a particularly unpopular opinion or not or whether we disagreed or not. I always had to watch my tongue, how I worded things, how I reminded people to stay civil, what I said of other webmasters, etc. And it was almost like I wasn't allowed to have an opinion anymore because I was the owner and admin and my opinion could be used against me and the site ("Oh, so the owner herself is pro Routh! This site is pro Routh then! No wonder I can't talk to people here, I'm leaving!" <--- Just an example, of course).

But there was always that limit, or that line crossed when you had to step down and deal with the situation. Now at 26 I'd have dealt with it in a much calmer manner and things don't worry or bother me nearly as much as they did back then. But I still don't envy anyone running a well-known website or board... I'm glad those times are over for me. They affected me personally way too much.

Ah, so it was Google then? I thought as much. :) It's interesting to hear where people are coming from, this kind of stuff always fascinated me.

Love the Wolvietat name. It's easy to remember because it's unique and has a nice ring to it! :) Anyhoo, nice to meet you!

Locksley

Continuing...

Some people agree that insiders should stay neutral and on the fence and only report what they hear, without posting their own opinions on the subject, too. In fact, the easiest way to tell a fake scooper from a real one is to look if they posted any opinions on their own, like pro-Welling or pro-Routh or some jibe at Singer, etc. If they're saying something so obviously anti-SR in the last paragraph that they almost ruined the entire scoop and their own credibility. It's easy to spot them now.

Then others say that insiders can do what they want, talk negatively about SR and praise JLA in the same breath if that's how they roll. But the thing is you lose so much credit if you do that and people have a hard time trusting you, especially those who disagree on the subject. Better not take any sides at all. The best way for a scooper to remain credible and in business is to post things without their own opinions skewing their story.

But since BOF isn't a scooper but a fansite, I see why he'd use his site to voice his opinions no matter what. :) If I had my own Superman site, it would most probably be full of my opinions why JLA's a bad move and why Horn is wrong to go with it. And I'd admit right away I'm a loyal fan of Routh, so of course I want him to be Superman. ;)

I just realized I should clarify what I meant by "Neal and Steve of SupermanHomepage and others" in my first paragraph... I didn't mean the guys on that site they were *hated* by fans or mistrusted like Sanchez is by some, I meant not everyone's a fan of them. People can be pretty rude about SH and it's sad most of the dislike comes from *people who hated SR*. Interesting. Since Steve is pro-SR and I think Neal is also (in general, at least), that's enough for SR haters to dismiss SH and diss its creator and mods. >_> I find it unjust. This is one movie we're talking about that they disagree on. One version of Superman. Not the entire Supes universe.

It never ceases to amaze me how much SR divided the fanbase. Sometimes I do feel people are exaggerating and overreacting just to cause more drama. They love to write triggering posts to see how the other side would react. Some even admit it. They do it because it's "fun". O.o

Angry fanboys get riled up like whoah over different opinions and SR is the perfect subject to fight over. If there wasn't so much hate in the SH comments section whenever JLA rumours are posted but no positive MOS news, I think the discussion would be a lot more fun. I wouldn't want to mod there and I'm often embarrassed for the fans.

Of course non-SR fans say they can't even say anything remotely negative about the movie in the SH comments section because it's so full of SR supporters and the site is so "pro SR". SR fans say there are too many haters polluting the discussion. Lots of finger pointing and blaming others for all the drama LOL.

I've heard a couple of jibes at Justin of BlueTights (coz he's very pro-SR) but I think those comments were coming from jealous people who envy his SR set visit, meeting with the actors, Singer's SR journals on the site, etc. And I'm not one to say people are "omg just jealuz" so quickly, I always think it's more than that but yeah, that's the simplest explanation. :) You don't often have actors recognizing FANsites and commenting on them when they spot fans wearing t-shirts with the sites' logos. :D Cool. Routh knows both SH and Bluetights. He's the man.

In some ways Supes fans are worse than Harry Potter fans. Drama, drama. I'm waiting for someone to mention the word "delusional" when the possibility of MOS happening is discussed. *laugh* That would be awesome.

That and I find fanboys fighting kind of "fascinating". They're so different than fangirls fighting on lj, for instance. LOL!

/end waffling

If you can't wait for the JLA movie, check out this DVD with film trailers for "World's Finest" featuring Superman and Batman; and "Grayson" about the 'death' of Batman. It will tide your appetite over until (if?) the release of the JLA movie!
www.BatmanDeadEndDVD.com

Ah, advertizing! :) You're probably not going to read this but anyway... I've already seen the fanfilms you've mentioned many times, especially "World's Finest". ;) Kinda hard to miss if you're a Superman fan, hehe. But I didn't know they're on dvd now, so thanks!

And I'm not exactly looking forward to the JLA movie. Sorry. My post was mostly negative. I'm waiting for Singer's sequel.

OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD. I don't know how familiar you are with current comics, but the Brother Eye story ran about two or three years ago, and it's full of stupid characterization and terrible retcons and the character assassination of Max Lord right before the actual assassination of Max Lord by a certain hero who should NOT BE KILLING PEOPLE and who will remain unnamed in case I'm spoiling you for the movie. Also, that means they have to start by killing poor, lovable Ted Kord (Blue Beetle II), who totally doesn't deserve this shit.

Gah, yes, the rumours we've been hearing these past weeks are all about the "Tower of Babel" storyline from the comics and the OMACs. I'm familiar with the details because I read all the JLA rumours and scoops, I'm not afraid of being "spoiled" about this movie because I'm not exactly looking forward to it. ;) I'd change my mind considerably if Routh were in it but since all the insiders are saying he's not going to be Superman, my enthusiasm for JLA is about 10 (on a scale from 0 to 100). I only care about the rumours because I want to know what JLA means to Singer's MOS. :)

The killing people part is bad enough bad there's the whole "one character goes evil" and has to fight with other JLA members to be put down! And we know exactly who this "evil" character is going to be... AND IT'S DEPRESSING.

Fanboys are quite excited for the most part since many of them loved the comic book the movie storyline is based on. *sigh* There were quite a few who were against JLA up to that point but once they heard about the storyline, it won them over.

Yeah, well, fanboys suck, because the OMAC story was terrible in and of itself, and then was also a terrible direction to send the entire DCU in. It ruined everything about DC story for a long time, so I'm a little bitter.

SPOILERS (MAYBE)

The "evil" character is Clark, right? I didn't read that whole story, but I know there's a scene where Max hypnotizes Clark and then he has a big fight with Diana where he heat visions her face. And then, like really soon after that, she breaks Max's neck. Maybe they're dragging it out to have Clark fight the whole League, since Warner Bros. execs love pitting Superman against other heroes to see what happens. But here's what would really happen - Clark would kick the entire League's ass if he were unfettered, with the possible exceptions of Green Lantern and Batman (if he had the kryptonite ring). Because Clark is just that awesome. But I'm assuming this doesn't happen in the movie.

END SPOILERS (MAYBE)

I think I'm more excited for this movie than you are because I'm a fan of the entire DCU (and this is the first official live action depictions of GL and Flash [if you ignore the terrible Flash TV show, which I do]), but what you've been posting about hasn't inspired a lot of confidence (OMGWTFWELLING?!). I don't know, I hope the director of Happy Feet proves me wrong like Singer did with Superman Returns.

I'm not excited about the OMAC storyline being but on the silver screen. It's dumb and its painful. It seems like we just got done with it, why do we have to go back?

They're being deluded 'cause they're money grabbers. Of course this is going to affect the other franchises. Is the general audience going to get that this takes place in a parallel universe?

*sighs*

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it, either. Nothing about this movie interests me at the moment, actually. I'm mostly worried about Singer's sequel and how JLA will affect it. That's why I'm posting all these rumours... It's not really because of JLA but what it means for Warners, Routh, Singer, Welling, the franchise, the fans... And to me it's not looking anywhere good. Unless Routh is in it, there's nothing that could win me over, sorry. :( That and the story would have to be different since I'm not liking the one we've been hearing about. Meh.

I wonder about the general audience, too. There gotta be *some* confusion in the end, you can't expect everyone to understand what's going on and why there are multiple universes. Why there's even a need for multiple universes from a fan's point of view (of course from WB's point of view it make sense because it's all about money, as you've said).

I know my father and several friends thought Batman Begins was a prequel... Now imagine their confusion with a movie like JLA with multiple universes. Can't wait LMAO. ;)

If the WB could just finish what they already started that would be awesome. Not jump into something new at the first sight of dollar signs, but see a project through...